Podcast: Thinking differently and working differently - an interview with Peter Thomas

Peter Thomas is an independent adviser to government and public services in the UK about reform. He is part of a team that has been evaluating the Goal Programme on Public Service Reform and Innovation. In this podcast he talks about effective reform and what helps it, based on his experience in the UK and Ireland.

CES is sharing findings from the evaluation of the Goal Programme over the coming months. A series of vignettes focuses on different themes, for example the distinctive elements of the Goal Programme and distributed leadership. For more information about the Goal Programme, click here.